This is my attempt to stress out my impressions of WordPress. Now after two months of intensive use of WordPress I think I can compare this brilliant blogging software with Joomla CMS (formerly Mambo), I used before. Some of you will say that Joomla and WordPress are different conceptually. Yes, they are. And I will keep this in my mind. I will compare them as personal publishing platforms. First, even completely different software can be compared in terms of usability, expandability, speed and potential for future growth.
As for potential, WordPress is a winner. Being aimed from the beginning on publishing as a priority task, it is still (at v2.0) simple and fast when it comes to publishing. In Publishing world content is just content – text and some images and publishing is just putting this on a page.
Joomla uses three levels of external features – Components, Modules, and Mambots. Components, Modules and Mambots were core Mambo objects from the beginning. All of them just functionality add-ons. And looking from WordPress platform I don’t understand why one would need three kinds of external objects to add some functionality. Needless to say this adds complexity to admin side and some confusion as well.
Modules main role is to present content in some specific form on a page, say, recent articles. Component, for example download manager, prepares some data and also may present data on a page or use other modules specifically programmed for that component. Why not to use just some kind of Module interface for both tasks? And don’t forget about mambots – some kind of plug-in.
There are hundreds, if not thousands, of third party components and modules (thanks to open source nature of Joomla) and all of them are installed using installation menu in admin backend, specifying position, parameters etc. Usually you do not need to change anything manually in templates. Although in many cases after installation you see that header for new component content is not of your style or margins are wrong. You still need to go to the style sheet file or php to adjust some code.
Existence of components, modules, and mambots assumes three interfaces in core code plus main content flow interface. Need for maintaining complex core structure with interfaces for several objects gives us very slow upgradeability of Joomla, taking too much time for bug fixes. Complexity of core code and “Bad genes” – ItemId issue among them from first release of Mambo by Miro International is migrating with code through all recent releases of Joomla. The core still contains tables in many files. Although core developers are aware of all weaknesses, they don’t make any attempts for major core changes. I think the code needs to be rewritten from the scratch. And as a result new releases bring only evolutional changes. Thanks to “good genes” – Joomla is user friendly and fairly simple to use (compared to other CMSs)
As for speed, I don’t think it is fair to compare Joomla and WordPress, being differently targeted. But as a personal publishing system WordPress is much faster. I’m pretty sure if WordPress will develop (at some point) to CMS system it still will be faster, being aimed for this from the ground.
Sure, Joomla is more powerful as a CMS, but … who knows… WordPress at version 1.5 was already good choice as a personal publishing system. Now, at v2.0 with revolutionary changes in core (which will help dramatically increase expandability), it may outperform Joomla as a CMS.
WordPress uses from the beginning only one external code interface – Plug-in’s. That means less code. The core concept is content flow management – you can organize and present content in many ways using one basic Loop. You do not need modules or components or php knowledge to get 10 recent articles – three rows of code with minimum changes from the main loop. WordPress developers are focused on publishing content and providing developers with one and flexible interface to core functions.
So, if to compare these two software as a personal publishing system, I would say that WordPress built around writing content and publishing that content. Joomla from the beginning built around presentation of content – reflecting absolute meaning for CMS – Content Management System. Managing content in some nice way first and only then writing and publishing it.
So, my advice – if your main goal is personal publishing – go with WordPress. If you need well presented portal – go with Joomla. But this is true only as of today
I am a newbie with Joomla, Blogs etc. Somehow I got to the same view you put here. My question is: what about WordPress in comparison with other blog engines?
I did not try myself any other blog engine. But from what I read/found about other engines I can make some conclusions.
Blogger is owned and backed by Google. It produces very nice looking blogs and you do not need your own domain. But what if you need some freedom in terms of more controlling over your site and your own domain at some point?
MovableType. This is not free software as far as I know. My solid conclusion about software – should be free. Why? One simple reason – code is open -> that means more third party contributions and more quick and wide feedback during development etc.. Though I’ve heard that MovableType is very good.
As for B2Evolution: did not try it and can say nothing. Maybe only to mention that it has multiblog feature.
Hope that I answered your question, to some extent.
well from the blogging point of view, you’re right, WP is a more adequate (simpler, faster, easier, cooler) tool to use… but joomla is not a blog/publishing engine… its so much more… as you say to develop a larger site/portal nothing beats joomla… especially in terms of components… its like sony, they made it!
so for simple blogging/press purposes i use WP, but for anything else… joomla rules.
I absolutely agree with the last post. You cannot begin to compare Joomla/Mambo and WordPress. Joomla is built to be much much more than just a blogging system! I’ve so far built about 5 different types of websites using Joomla. My sites now range from portals to a simple informational sites.
The support community, in terms of free scripts/add ons and development sites etc, that Joomla enjoys is unmatched as far as I know. I can understand people being excited about a neat blog engine like WP but please be fair and compare Joomla with something in the same class. Joomla is WP and then some!
I know. They do republish. In most cases they publish my address as well, so i don’t mind.
I use WordPress within Joomla.
Top that!
Familiar with Joomla! and not ready to make a jump to WP? Take a look at iJoomla\’s Magazine Component. I agree, for pure blogging needs WP is the better way to go.
Thank you for this comparison. I use Mambo and then Joomla for some content heavy websites. And recently been using WordPress for my blogs and find it a breeze to install and operate. So I’m looking at ways to reduce complexity, then WordPress wins hands down…!
hmm wordpress is very easy to use.
each of that CMS has benefit and weakness. But I prefer joomla to build web to wordpress. Good comparison review. Nice posting. Thank\’s
i recommend wordpress for beginners, since its very easy to learn for even a kid !.but joomla is very powerful and it\’s features are endless with thousands of joomla extensions !
anyway thanks for your comparison. many bloggers have different opinions and wordpress is widely used as a blog, but joomla is using only by professionals.
thanks to explore a nice difference in between the joomla and wordpress.
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At this moment WordPress is almost as good as Joomla. See my conclusions at http://www.seo24.nl/SEO-Blog/wordpress-a-seo.html. (Dutch)
In my opinion WordPress is much easier for newbie, and Joomla is bit intermediate. I am also wordpress user and also worked on joomla but i feel more comfortable on wordpress. But I do say for E-commerce Joomla is best.
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You can set articles to expire after a time, activate dates, authorname, breadcrumbs etc.. Thus, Joomla gives you a lot of power in your hands in case of Joomla